Not sure that we can tell any difference between House and Senate on recess versus returning. Nothing of substance gets done in either situation. Political theater and petty arguments are the only things happening when in session. I suggest that all members return to the chamber and get locked in until they get some work done. And no talking to the media. We pay them to govern and not to simply campaign for the next election.
The average American barely gets a weekend off, much less a month off. It’s another sign of how out of touch Congress is with the lives of its constituents. But regarding the 14th amendment - I am frankly tired of caring about what Trump voters think about anything. That’s why it’s so important to make sure he doesn’t succeed in getting elected in 2024. One of the reasons for prosecuting all those J6 people is to drive home the point that when they don’t get their way, they can’t change the result by violence.
I fail to understand how the Senate can take a month off. The House, ditto, people like Jim Jordan haven't been working for years. How many sandbaggers are in the Senate & House?
If you think things are a mess now, just think how it might go if Trump or a Trump-Republican is elected, Schedule F is implemented, the "Deep State" is emasculated by firing all those senior career civil servants, and they are replaced by loyal MAGA operatives.
Realistically, - - owing to the degree of public exposure of the 14th Amendment, it is inevitable that someone will sue on that basis. Then the fat will be in the fire! Alan, you appear to be correct except that, should the Supreme Court find against Trump, - - you underestimate the teeth-clenched fury that will erupt among the MAGAs, as stoked by DJT himself. But, like the costs of a war, those deaths, etc must be met by a strong Democracy, in service of it's own continuation.
The Chaos Caucus does not give a rat's a-- about shutting down the FAA, but their base in the farm states could have a different view of ending the Farm Bill through R inaction. That might be the lever to pull to get a CR for a while.
It seems to me that, unlike the qualification of being 35 or a natural citizen, this (dis)qualification needs to answer two questions before it can work: Was it an insurrection/rebellion and did trump "engage" in it. Are the advocates of unilateral state action sure they will be happy with how the Extremes answer this? I can see the originalists saying rebellion requires riding a horse into battle wielding a bayonet.
When shutting down the federal government is a desired outcome for a not small cohort of the GOP base, government shutdowns are not only likely but probable.
We need the Bulwark and honest media to continue to sell the 14th amendment disqualifications of Trump and the 120+ Green Bay Sweep in Congress. Just because Murdoch won't admit there was an insurrection is not enough to let it ride. Once the media had Edward Murrow - now we have entertainers.
The DOJ should also be pushing to remove the insurrectionists in Congress - they were asleep at the wheel when Ron Johnson ran last in Wisconsin. Issue them all target letters now. We know they plan to try to impeach Biden (because Congress has no interest in fixing the border or immigration) and the Freedom Caucus (the caucus of crazies) wants to stop funding the DOJ ( so they and Trump don't get prosecuted). JUST DO IT. Let's end the entertainment
Regarding the 14th Amendment, it appears that there will be legal challenges that will get to courts. Thus, the courts will have to consider the arguments. I don't believe that the courts can simply throw out such cases on the basis of standing because presumably any registered voter would have standing to determine who is and who is not qualified to be on a ballot as a candidate for president.
Assuming that courts must address the issues on which qualification is determined, the courts must determine that an insurrection has occurred and that Trump participated in or aided such insurrection.
If the courts determine that, for purposes of the 14th Amendment, no insurrection occurred, think of how damaging such a holding would be. Trump and his allies will be emboldened to push greater violence having the courts determine that the violence and the attack on the Capitol on January 6 was not an insurrection.
Similarly, if the courts determine that January 6 was an insurrection, but that Trump did not participate and did not aid the insurrection, such a holding would embolden Trump and his allies to go even further in trying to overturn an election loss in 2024 having the courts determine that the actions of Trump and his allies in the time leading up to January 6 was not participating in or aiding the insurrection.
If Trump's qualifications under the 14th Amendment to be President is presented to the courts, the courts cannot abrogate their responsibilities to decide matters properly brought before them. While the politics of such cases may be grist for numerous pundits and podcasts, nonetheless the courts must ultimately enter their opinions and if the courts determine that Trump is disqualified, it doesn't matter what his supporters believe.
I appreciate the balanced view on 14A as opposed to the self-deterrence that other Bulwarkers espoused in the last few days. It's a legitimate fight to have - a 14A DSQ in a swing state, if successful, could give the fake elector crowd a little taste of their own Madison.
A couple points. The senate is the second worst institution in DC after SCROTUS. It should be abolished. It's antidemocratic to the core of its rotten stinking heart. Second, if the 14th amendment doesn't apply to tangeranus and the 140 members of the house and the dozen or so members of the senate that engaged in treason then it's hard to see why it even exists.
The Senate’s Back—and It’s ‘A Pretty Big Mess’
The Senate passed all 12 appropriations bills out of committee before their recess.
First time that's been done in years.
Democrats are not the problem.
Not sure that we can tell any difference between House and Senate on recess versus returning. Nothing of substance gets done in either situation. Political theater and petty arguments are the only things happening when in session. I suggest that all members return to the chamber and get locked in until they get some work done. And no talking to the media. We pay them to govern and not to simply campaign for the next election.
The average American barely gets a weekend off, much less a month off. It’s another sign of how out of touch Congress is with the lives of its constituents. But regarding the 14th amendment - I am frankly tired of caring about what Trump voters think about anything. That’s why it’s so important to make sure he doesn’t succeed in getting elected in 2024. One of the reasons for prosecuting all those J6 people is to drive home the point that when they don’t get their way, they can’t change the result by violence.
I fail to understand how the Senate can take a month off. The House, ditto, people like Jim Jordan haven't been working for years. How many sandbaggers are in the Senate & House?
As regards the 14th Amendment, crystal clear!
If you think things are a mess now, just think how it might go if Trump or a Trump-Republican is elected, Schedule F is implemented, the "Deep State" is emasculated by firing all those senior career civil servants, and they are replaced by loyal MAGA operatives.
What a surprise: the gop is overrun by nihilists and so rather than govern it does nihilistic things.
Realistically, - - owing to the degree of public exposure of the 14th Amendment, it is inevitable that someone will sue on that basis. Then the fat will be in the fire! Alan, you appear to be correct except that, should the Supreme Court find against Trump, - - you underestimate the teeth-clenched fury that will erupt among the MAGAs, as stoked by DJT himself. But, like the costs of a war, those deaths, etc must be met by a strong Democracy, in service of it's own continuation.
The Chaos Caucus does not give a rat's a-- about shutting down the FAA, but their base in the farm states could have a different view of ending the Farm Bill through R inaction. That might be the lever to pull to get a CR for a while.
It seems to me that, unlike the qualification of being 35 or a natural citizen, this (dis)qualification needs to answer two questions before it can work: Was it an insurrection/rebellion and did trump "engage" in it. Are the advocates of unilateral state action sure they will be happy with how the Extremes answer this? I can see the originalists saying rebellion requires riding a horse into battle wielding a bayonet.
When shutting down the federal government is a desired outcome for a not small cohort of the GOP base, government shutdowns are not only likely but probable.
It is shameful what the GOP has become.
We need the Bulwark and honest media to continue to sell the 14th amendment disqualifications of Trump and the 120+ Green Bay Sweep in Congress. Just because Murdoch won't admit there was an insurrection is not enough to let it ride. Once the media had Edward Murrow - now we have entertainers.
The DOJ should also be pushing to remove the insurrectionists in Congress - they were asleep at the wheel when Ron Johnson ran last in Wisconsin. Issue them all target letters now. We know they plan to try to impeach Biden (because Congress has no interest in fixing the border or immigration) and the Freedom Caucus (the caucus of crazies) wants to stop funding the DOJ ( so they and Trump don't get prosecuted). JUST DO IT. Let's end the entertainment
Regarding the 14th Amendment, it appears that there will be legal challenges that will get to courts. Thus, the courts will have to consider the arguments. I don't believe that the courts can simply throw out such cases on the basis of standing because presumably any registered voter would have standing to determine who is and who is not qualified to be on a ballot as a candidate for president.
Assuming that courts must address the issues on which qualification is determined, the courts must determine that an insurrection has occurred and that Trump participated in or aided such insurrection.
If the courts determine that, for purposes of the 14th Amendment, no insurrection occurred, think of how damaging such a holding would be. Trump and his allies will be emboldened to push greater violence having the courts determine that the violence and the attack on the Capitol on January 6 was not an insurrection.
Similarly, if the courts determine that January 6 was an insurrection, but that Trump did not participate and did not aid the insurrection, such a holding would embolden Trump and his allies to go even further in trying to overturn an election loss in 2024 having the courts determine that the actions of Trump and his allies in the time leading up to January 6 was not participating in or aiding the insurrection.
If Trump's qualifications under the 14th Amendment to be President is presented to the courts, the courts cannot abrogate their responsibilities to decide matters properly brought before them. While the politics of such cases may be grist for numerous pundits and podcasts, nonetheless the courts must ultimately enter their opinions and if the courts determine that Trump is disqualified, it doesn't matter what his supporters believe.
I appreciate the balanced view on 14A as opposed to the self-deterrence that other Bulwarkers espoused in the last few days. It's a legitimate fight to have - a 14A DSQ in a swing state, if successful, could give the fake elector crowd a little taste of their own Madison.
A couple points. The senate is the second worst institution in DC after SCROTUS. It should be abolished. It's antidemocratic to the core of its rotten stinking heart. Second, if the 14th amendment doesn't apply to tangeranus and the 140 members of the house and the dozen or so members of the senate that engaged in treason then it's hard to see why it even exists.
Somehow we need the people to read and understand Project 2025
and EXACTLY what that will
mean to this country on a very wide basis, if Trump or
another republican is voted
President.
As for the 14th Amendment. 4 indictments. 91 felonies charged. It will only take conviction of 1.
Somehow, we need to get the people in love with the idea of a government shutdown on the top of the pain pile.